New vs. Old (speaker shootout)

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New vs. Old (speaker shootout)

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Here we go...

Weber Thames (50W, 50 oz. magnet, Fane cone treatment) vs. '71 HIWATT Fane 122231 (50W 14,000 flux)

SM-57 centered on dust cap + Sennheiser e906 off-axis, both 1" off grille cloth
A little reverb added in ProTools, no eq or compression.

Amp settings:
Normal = 10
Brilliant = 10
Bass = 7.5
Treble = 2.5
Middle = 3.5
Presence = 5.25
Master Volume = 2

'59 bridge humbucker straight in - no pedals

See if you can "Name That Speaker":
http://home.comcast.net/~going2spain/hi ... aker_X.mp3
http://home.comcast.net/~going2spain/hi ... aker_Y.mp3

Nothing fancy - I spared you guys the Rush references this time. :roll: :lol:
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My guess is Fane is X and Thames is Y..

My computer is just a Dell D510 notebook, so the speakers aren't the greatest..... :?

Both sound really good!
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Headphones, man, headphones! (not iPod earbuds, either) :roll:

I'll wait awhile before I spill the beans.

Also, let's hear your comments - what Fane qualities do hear in X/Y that you don't hear in Y/X?
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X sounds a little woodier, not quite as bright and crisp as Y.

It makes me think that Y is the newer speaker.
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mikhailwatt wrote:Headphones, man, headphones! (not iPod earbuds, either) :roll:
Not wanting to be similarly chastised, I plugged in headphones before listening :) .

That said, I'm going to agree with Clayton's guess (X = Fane / Y = Thames).

The "Y" speaker seemed a bit more scooped in the mids to me. A little less "in your face", so to speak.

Any other guessers out there :?: ?

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Bean spillage time...

X = Fane
Y = Thames

Can't slip anything by you expoits. :roll: :lol:

Someday the Thames might break in a little better and mellow a bit. I like them both, but I really like the woodiness of the old Fane. :D
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mikhailwatt wrote: X = Fane
Y = Thames
Whew! I was afraid you were going to make fools out of us :P .

I'd like to hear a comparison again, once the Thames is fully broken in. Are you able to dial in more mid to flatten out the scoop?

Thanks for posting the audio quiz!

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Do we get gold stars for the day?

The Thames sound great and they are fantastic "bang for the Buck"!
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OldSchoolDave wrote: I'd like to hear a comparison again, once the Thames is fully broken in. Are you able to dial in more mid to flatten out the scoop?
I could crank the middle, but with the way I've got it set now, turning the middle up past 4 increases the harsher, clanky high-mid "glare" that I had been fighting to tame.

I'm still getting used to this tone stack - at first I always had the middle up around 6-7, treble and presence down to 2-3, but it was still pretty spikey. A couple months ago I started from scratch with everything rolled off, then rolled up the bass and dialed in the middle & treble to suit. I'm really happy with the tone now - it does the "Entre Nous" tone (track 4 from Permanent Waves for the non-Rush fan :lol:) perfectly.

This amp doesn't do mid-scoop in the "metal" sense - and that's fine with me. :wink:
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Dr.HIWATT wrote:Do we get gold stars for the day?
Sorry, fresh out of gold stars, but you've earned a t-shirt. :wink:
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mikhailwatt wrote:This amp doesn't do mid-scoop in the "metal" sense - and that's fine with me. :wink:
Wrong forum for that anyway :shock: !

Give those Thames a good thrashing and let us know if they settle in.

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Post by JC103 »

Thanks for the clips Mike, that was fun! I liked clip X better as well. Although clip Y sounds pretty cool too... it just hasn't had 30+ years break in time yet!

That being said I just compared the Fane clip with some of my recordings of a Reeves 4x12 with VP's and found that they have that same "woodieness" to the tone.
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JC103 wrote:That being said I just compared the Fane clip with some of my recordings of a Reeves 4x12 with VP's and found that they have that same "woodieness" to the tone.
Man, now I've got to hear one of those Reeves/VP cabs... my quest for a real Hylight 4x12 hasn't panned out so far.
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Post by mhuss »

JC103 wrote:...they have that same "woodieness" to the tone.
Are you saying the tone gives you a 'woody?' :lol:

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Post by JC103 »

Haha then that would be "woodyness" ! But your right at times the tone is quite, how should I say this, inspiring. :D
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